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Poster: stbalbach Date: Mar 15, 2012 7:26pm
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Great idea. Who else would want them probably go for cheap.

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Poster: garthus1 Date: Mar 15, 2012 8:49pm
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This shows what a fraud the entire Copyright process is. I currently have the students in the courses which I teach use Wikipedia and the Internet as resources for their work (these are advanced courses in college). There is significant resistance from some academics who question the idea of using Public Domain materials which do not follow the traditional Intellectual Property guidelines. Some of them even go as far as to threaten students with 'F' grades if they catch them using Wikipedia as a resource. I am noticing recently however, (and the case you cite is evidence) that such feelings are beginning to change, especially at some of the for-profit institutions and some of the smaller traditional institutions. Perhaps when enough people stop rolling over and accepting such extortion things will change. I know that when enough materials become available which are in the Public Domain, this will have a direct impact on those parasitic manipulators of the Copyright Statutes.

Gerry

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Poster: stbalbach Date: Mar 15, 2012 9:51pm
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Gerry, glad to hear that about Wikipedia, I'm also a long time contributor. Wikipedia is working with professors, where classes are collaborating to write articles of high quality as a semester project. Rewarding for everyone including the PD. Could find you some links if you're interested in reading more about it.

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Poster: garthus1 Date: Mar 16, 2012 5:28am
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I would be interested, I am really pushing this, I have an Astronomy course which uses Wikipedia as the basis for most of the materials and will be completely incorporated next time I teach it.

Check this out:

http://www.openeducation.org/moodle/

Click on log-in as guest, I can give you student access if you would like, The courses will be able to be downloaded when I am done.

Gerry

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Poster: stbalbach Date: Mar 16, 2012 9:26pm
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Gerry,

This links has more information on schools and universities participate with Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:School_and_university_projects

I look at my college days as mostly lost work, and wish instead we had been creating Wikipedia articles that had lasting value (it was long before Wikipedia existed). Who says you need to be post-grad to make a difference or get "published" or write serious and useful articles. That's a lesson everyone can learn.

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Poster: garthus1 Date: Mar 16, 2012 10:04pm
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Stbalbach,

Thank you for the link. I agree concerning the lost work and since they are paying me to create courses, I do the best that I can to help students understand that in the real world, finding and getting the information, validating it and then integrating it into some sort of production optimally, is of greatest importance. All of the materials which I create are placed in the Public Domain and I think that the more people take this approach, the greater the pressure will exist to eventually change the current ways of doing things in Academia. Instead of students running out of my classes, they stay after and even do extra work because they understand the power of a real education. I have already seen the effects of these efforts within both of the Colleges where I work. Students pass the word around quickly and I think that with the ending of the EB dynasty, the Wikipedia genie is out of the bottle and at least where I have input, it is rapidly getting adopted. Wikipedia has a wonderful knowledge model and I intend to use it to structure all of the courses which I am currently working on. I will be spending more time working on Wikipedia stuff now and have already placed some links from my Archive materials into relevant Wikipedia locations. The days of the snobby academic are numbered, I for one would like to see their end before I pass on. In fact my main goal in life is to contribute to the destruction of the educational industry which currently passes as higher education in this country and of course 'ditto' the so-called intellectual rights industries which have been increasingly choking the last vestiges of creativity being exercised by the 'real' intellectuals of this world. I have already indicated to the 'colleges' where I work that I would be willing to develop digital course materials for any of their courses provided that Open Source Software is used and that all materials be placed into the Public Domain. The response has been positive to say the least...a lot has happened in the last ten years, this economic downturn may actually be a blessing in disguise. It has allowed different approaches to be tried and now, seemingly adopted, which will irreversibly change the way education, information and knowledge are investigated and delivered in academia.

Gerry

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Poster: stbalbach Date: Mar 16, 2012 10:12pm
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I'm with you diversity of models. Education to me is like beer. There are many types. Some people drink the same their whole lives. Others always trying a new variety. Some brew their own, others buy Bud Light. Some drink a lot of beer, others don't touch the stuff. There are some people in the world who sadly can't drink beer of any type or amount even if they want too. Some people say beer is healthy, others see it as unhealthy. Some beer is free, some costs a fortune. So education is like beer. There is no right one. Only that we have it available is the most important thing. Beyond that, to each his own, and let's hope good taste prevails. Wikipedia is a bit of a homebrew compared to the public school Budweiser.

Gerry I've worked on Wikipedia since 2003, almost daily, and have pretty good understanding of its strengths and weaknesses. Remember, "original research" is not a dirty word, but on Wikipedia it is. Teach students the value of original thought and having an (informed) opinion because Wikipedia is the opposite of that, it's basically a journalism site for reporting on and summarizing what other people have said, hopefully in a complete and balanced way. Not to say that model isn't important or useful. Another type of beer :)

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Poster: garthus1 Date: Mar 17, 2012 6:38am
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Stbalbach,

I agree with you completely, there is plenty of room to be creative with the Archive and other venues. I can see where some original work can be slipped in to Wikipedia by citing self-published materials on the Archive though. An what about papers published at conferences, I placed all of that in the public Domain. In any case, Wikipedia is an excellent resource for education and I think that it is getting better by the day. If anything, Public education is becoming more irrelevant by the day. My daughter goes to a private school overseas and gets a far better education than we can imagine here in the United States. Those students are learning three languages and they are under the age of ten years. I have college students who know almost nothing concerning English Grammar or even basic writing skills. In any case I like the Beer analogy.

Gerry

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Poster: stbalbach Date: Mar 18, 2012 8:38am
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Gerry,

You may also be interested in the Wikipedia Research Newsletter

http://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/03/16/wikimedia-research-newsletter-first-volume-new-features/

Congrats at finding an alternative to public school for your daughter, alternative country even. Some of the best schools in the world are in the US but only for a minority. I went to 13 different schools in my first 13 years of school, small/large, private/public, alternative(liberal)/conservative, secular/religious, day/boarding - each had its strength and weakness. It would be impossible to combine into one perfect school. Public school was a mess though, more about survival.

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Poster: garthus1 Date: Mar 21, 2012 9:19am
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Stbalbach,

Yes she is lucky, but it also took some planning and I think with the advances everyday concerning the Internet and Digital Education tools, the Information can more easily be provide to anyone with a network connection. I constantly emphazie to my students that it is about three thing:

1 - Getting the Information
2 - Validating the Information
3 - Integrating and using the information for the problem at hand.

This is where I think Wikipedia is of such importance, it provides a good starting point for research.

Gerry